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Hi Rick, Below is the link

Hi Rick,

Below is the link for a YouTube karaoke video of the song "Born This Way" by Lady Gaga with praise and worship Christian lyrics called "Chose This Way". With these lyrics this song can be sung to the Lord.

http://youtu.be/E7CQ0PYA2-k

OhJulie, Thanks for taking

OhJulie,
Thanks for taking the time to send me your concerns. I don't have anything, really, to add that might be construed as a “rebuttal” to your critique—I still stand by what I wrote. But I will say that your argument about OT “abominations” and how we pick-and-choose them is, of course, valid. But the NT has plenty to say about sin, including homosexuality, that we haven't thrown out or cherry-picked; and the entire history of the church up until the last 30 years or so has embraced the NT view that homosexuality is a sin. I never approach anyone with a litmus test that they must admit their sin before I will relate to them, and I've never demanded that in my personal relationships with gay people. Quite to the contrary, I enjoy talking to them as much as anyone else in my life. Just because I'm unsettled with someone who identifies as gay doesn't mean that stops me from being in relationship. I'm even unsettled with myself sometimes, because of my own issues.... In any case, I do appreciate you taking the time to voice your concerns...
Grace,
Rick

I have several concerns about

I have several concerns about this article, but two of them are as follows.

First, Rick, you say that you are unsettled around those who are gay. Are you equally unsettled around those who are divorced and don't live in constant shame about it? What about women who braid their hair or wear gold and pearls and teach men? These are all things that would have been an "abomination" back in Jesus' time, because an "abomination" was anything that was not normal in their eyes. Just because we have, over the past decades, picked and chosen which things are okay to be normal now and which things are still condemned as "abominations" doesn't make it accurate. And if someone believes that s/he was created in the image of God and is gay, why shouldn't that person embrace her/his identity? That seems to be an enormous double standard.

Secondly, I wholeheartedly believe that groups that are often discriminated against (racial minorities, women, persons who are GLBTQI, etc.) are done a disservice by Christians when they are told that they have to recognize their sin first and foremost. We are all sinful human beings; we get that. But if you have experienced nothing but condemnation from Christians in your life, how are you supposed to hear the message of grace and love that Jesus so clearly offers when the first thing someone tells you is to admit your sin? My GLBTQI brothers and sisters probably sin with the same regularity I do: we covet, we display pride, we act out in anger...you get the drift. But if we would start addressing the things that are actually called out as sins in the Bible, rather than the things we have construed to be sinful, we might begin to represent Christ rather than a skewed agenda that has been promoted over the past few generations.

For full disclosure, I am a Christian who many would define as "liberal" or "progressive," and I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin (in case you couldn't tell). For those who disagree, I've read all the Bible verses, done plenty of research (I'm a seminary graduate), and therefore don't need an education in the anti-gay stance. And let me assure you, GLBTQI persons have heard all those Bible verses and Christian condemnations too, and they want to hear them again even less than I do.

In response to Anonymous....

In response to Anonymous.... First, thanks for raising a legitimate question. My take is, simply, that insecurity, self-consciousness, crippling self-hatred, and bullying find many tragic expressions in childhood—especially in school. I have close personal experience with this, because I went through three years of junior high that were hell on earth because of the violent, bullying atmosphere of my school. Once, I thought a gang of bullies might kill me when they caught me and stomped on me on a dirt trail next to a ditch. Many, many times I had to fight back or risk escalating attacks. The answer to the shame I felt about myself, or the shame anyone feels about themselves, has less to do with who we are or how we feel about ourselves. My shame, even today, is hidden in Christ, who took it with him to the cross. Gay kids are the victims of brutal bullying by people who hate and hurt. The focus should be on dealing with the haters and hurters—no one's disagreeing that their behavior is evil.

Something tells me that the

Something tells me that the young kids who were "born this way" and feel so ashamed as to be bullied and take their own lives aren't "embracing their predispositions". So what of them?

Rick, Thank you for speaking

Rick,

Thank you for speaking the truth and for doing so in a clear and reasoned way. I fear that many of us have checked out of this discussion in our culture because we are intimidated by the harsh rhetoric of those who see our view as intolerant. We must find new ways to speak the truth in love (Eph. 4:15). Thank you for helping us find that path.

In Jesus,
Lance Wamble

Well said!

Well said!

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